Monday, December 08, 2008

Who cares about a dead veteran? It looks better now!

In the south end of Fall River there is a little triangle of land that has been dedicated to the memory of Paul K. McGovern, a city advocate and the late owner of McGovern's restaurant. The problem is that over 60 years before the same patch of land was dedicated to the memory of Corporal David L. Miller and all men of the southern part of the city who served in the armed forces during World War II.

This was first written about on Fall River-tastic and has now made its way to the pages of the Herald News. When I first read Shamrock's post my reaction was that this was in extremely poor taste and that now that attention has been called to it, the city would have to rectify the situation. After all you can't take away the honor of a dedication away from someone who served and died for his country. Right?

So, I read the Herald News article expecting to see quotes from various city officials explaining this as an oversight and offering to restore the Square to Corporal Miller. Perhaps, the city would relocate Miller's memorial to Kennedy Park or down toward the Iwo Jima statue. Certainly there would be some effort to make right of this. But no!

“people weren’t volunteering to keep it up. Actually, it’s a benefit people
can pay respects to his stone and to McGovern’s, and it will be well taken care
of.” - City Councilor Pat Casey

“The McGovern family brought out what was there and made it look really
nice,” - Spokeswoman for Mayor Correia, Ines Leite

“They made it a better place and I think it’s still called ‘Miller Square’ as far as I know… If it was Miller Square, it will always be Miller Square. I don’t think they’ve done anything disrespectful.” - former
mayor, Dan Bogan




Instead I read comments that basically say, 'yeah we dedicated it to McGovern, but it looks better now' What?!


Wasn't it the city's responsibility to maintain and upkeep Miller Green? Are we simply dedicating things so the city doesn't have to maintain them? Are we now honoring only those whose families will maintain the spot?

Is former Mayor Carlton Viveiros sweeping the sidewalks in front of 'his' school? Is the Fonseca family washing windows on Sunday? Should we dedicate a Square to Ed Lambert or Rename Plymouth Avenue Karam Boulevard in hopes that those individuals will now take on the burden of upkeep? Let's rename Government Center and call it the Anthony Cordeiro Center of Government and get him to pick up the tab on its remodel.

By all accounts the Paul K. McGovern Square looks better now. And is should, because for years the city neglected it, the way they're now neglecting the memory of Corporal David L. Miller, the man it was originally dedicated to.

37 comments:

Tom Paine said...

First do not give them ideas!!!

Is former Mayor Carlton Viveiros sweeping the sidewalks in front of 'his' school? Is the Fonseca family washing windows on Sunday? Should we dedicate a Square to Ed Lambert or Rename Plymouth Avenue Karam Boulevard in hopes that those individuals will now take on the burden of upkeep? Let's rename Government Center and call it the Anthony Cordeiro Center of Government and get him to pick up the tab on its remodel.

Do not put it past Correia. Renaming 2 schools without debate is one thing, but if he can rededicate a small piece of land that was named for a dead war hero he can do anything.

Can you imagine if he was the mayor of Washington D.C. No memorials would be safe!!

Anonymous said...

You people are hilarious. Could you be any more disingenuous? This isn't about honoring the memory of a deceased veteran and you know it isn't!

RadioFree said...

It isn't? What's it about then? The fact that the Mayor has once again crossed a line -- and has violated the will of the people? The fact that the guy is acting like the KING of Fall River and we are all merely his subjects?

It's about the people of Fall River valuing the service of this individual more than the people who have been elected to represent their interests. It's about the people of Fall River -- and David Miller -- deserving better than this kind of treatment.

Anonymous said...

No, anon 1:45----you are hilarious. The "king" has no clothes on, of which you refuse to acknowledge, because "change is good," and the king represents "leadership that gets things done," whatever the h#%% that means to you. Hate to tell you, but Fall River is not as stupid as you think it is.

Anonymous said...

Hilarious? You think what the Mayor and Pat Casey did is hilarious? Our veterans will show you how funny they think it is as soon as they have an opportunity to do so in 2009.

Papamoka said...

I'm sorry to say but once you dedicate a piece of land to an individual that is it. End of story. It isn't up to the families of the fallen to maintain the land just as much is not up to the families to mow the lawns at Arlington! If I understand the article then the property is city property and it is their obligation to maintain it. If maintaining the site were the case then Walmart would have a Super Store right in the middle of Arlington National Cemetery.

I'm sorry but I'm disgusted. Where do you draw the line and toss a dead veterans memory overboard for a prettier landscaping job?

Anonymous said...

it will stay mcgovern square...no action

Jason said...

Hey "No Action Guy" if you are interested in helping with this, please send me an email at Jason (at) Fallrivershow.com

Otherwise,

Shut up.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"RadioFree said...

It isn't? What's it about then? The fact that the Mayor has once again crossed a line -- and has violated the will of the people? The fact that the guy is acting like the KING of Fall River and we are all merely his subjects?

It's about the people of Fall River valuing the service of this individual more than the people who have been elected to represent their interests. It's about the people of Fall River -- and David Miller -- deserving better than this kind of treatment.
"

No, it, like most of what appears on these blogs is politically motivated by the Poulin/Sullivan supporters. With the exception of the little choir that you preach to you aren't BSing anyone.

Jason said...

You speak as though supporting one candidate over another is a bad thing. As if we are blindly following our candidate even now a year after the election.

The truth is, we have the same values that we had when we chose those candidates.

You still have the same values you had. Which is to say, you have none.

Anonymous said...

I've met both David Sullivan and Eric Poulin, they are two entirely different people who even have different opinions on various issues, imagine that!

I love the Bob Correia whack job conspiracy theorists who defend the indefensible like renaming schools with no public input or taking away an honor from a veteran. Anytime Bob gets slammed for doing something incredibly stupid that can't be justified they say Bob isn't at fault, this is all just politics being manufactured by the Poulin/Sullivan camp. Riiight... So naming a school after Carlton or a square after McGovern had nothing to do with politics.

Everyone else is "political" except Bob Correia's "camp," his camp is above politics and everyone else is just a petty member of the so-called Poulin/Sullivan camp.

Anonymous said...

Blowhards the whole bunch of ya. Kerri why dont you grow some cahonees of our own and run for office. Lets see how many people really believe in you.

Anonymous said...

WTF is going on in Fall River lately? Every time I listen to the news, I have to shake my head.

I can't believe the vitality that s growing in New Bedford; why is there not the same motivation for progress in the Spindle City? It's not as though there aren't seeds of growth there.

Why is so much time and energy being wasted on renaming stuff, fighting, and finger-pointing? Why have the mayor and city council bought into an unproductive, wasteful, self-centered and destructive paradigm of behavior?

Anonymous said...

"Blowhards the whole bunch of ya!" Hmm, bet the Mayor doesn't think you blow hard at all, bet he tell you that you do it just right...

Tom Paine said...

Battleship, national news organizations, the Boston Globe, Boston Herald, and Vet associations should be informed about how our mayor remembers men killed in action.

I have done my part, now others should send emails to every news organization and Vet assc that they can find.

Anonymous said...

Yes Tom let's do all we can to try to embarrass the city. After all you've shown that your agenda isn't civic but purely political. How many of you whiners have actually worn the uniform of this country? Casey and Correia have, I bet most of you haven't. You must feel good to use the memory of a fallen hero for your own political agenda.

shamrock said...

"You must feel good to use the memory of a fallen hero for your own political agenda"

Actually, we are the ones trying to maintain that memory despite Correia/Casey(/you) pushing it aside to further their political agendas by rewarding constituents.

I am contacting other media because I know Bob will not right this wrong on his own.

Anonymous said...

The city needs to be embarrassed over this. That is the only way they will fix this wrong. They should be ashamed of what they have done, especially if they have worn the uniform of this country.

Stop trying to defend what is indefensible.

Anonymous said...

Embarrassed? I thought the city was proud? Didn't anyone see the equally embarrassing new seal? I find THAT hilarious.

Far Right said...

Left Rule #3 states "No personal attacks" so I won't attack a single person. What I will do is attack a group of people, namely the citizens of Fall River. To the people who don't go to the polls to vote, SHUT UP by not voting you have forfited your right to complain. To the people who do vote, CHANGE is the word of the day -Vote the present office holders out of office. What the present administration has done to the memory of Corporal David L. Miller is nothing short disgraceful. WAKE UP Fall River if YOU REALLY CARE then vote them out. BETTER YET RUN FOR OFFICE YOURSELF

Lefty said...

To the anon or anons who think this is politically motivated:

Explain this to me, what was the motivation for dedicating this to McGovern?

Why is being outraged about this politically motivated?

How do YOU justify this? Do you really feel that the city should be able to rededicate this square seemingly on a whim?

How do you justify renaming a square that was originally dedicated to a man who died for his country?

Tom Paine said...

Many of us did not like it when BOB changed the names of the 2 schools. But I lived with it.

But when he renamed this square, it was the last straw.

Sure, BOB ws a marine reserve. That makes this even worse. He demonstrates to me his lack of respect for the dead, his lack of respect for a hero like Miller, he shows a lack of respect for all that served this country, whether in the military or outside of the military.

This one issue I personnally swear I will not let it die. I will continue sending out emails to every news organization I can, every Veteran Assc I can and every blogger I can.

This one was too much! He must be stopped now before the city falls any further behind the eight ball. I have lived for many years and have seen many mayors, but I have never seen a mayor who is a megalomaniac as this guy is.

Anonymous said...

Battleship, national news organizations, the Boston Globe, Boston Herald, and Vet associations should be informed about how our mayor remembers men killed in action.

I have done my part, now others should send emails to every news organization and Vet assc that they can find.




Nothing's gonna haaaaaapen!

Anonymous said...

Going national...

This story has reached Daily Kos (biggest national progressive blog). There are already 99 comments!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/14/204952/87/142/673130

This from Jacques said...

To Anon 8:46:

It could well be argued that your repetitive taunting and mockery of those attempting to rectify a perceived injustice to the memory of a fallen American soldier is akin in spirit to the torments inflicted by the soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army on this Fall River soldier, as well as on their other American and Philippine victims during the Bataan Death March. Such triumphalism and mean contempt for the weakness of their defeated foes was a trademark of these Japanese victors, as it seems to be for you.

A reminder of the lessons of history: America and their allies retook the Philippines, and drove out the Imperial Japanese Army.

Anonymous said...

Tom Paine, you need to get over your soreloseritis!

Tom Paine said...

To Anon: 8;27

It is a pitty that everytime someone brings out facts about what is taking place in the city you and others try to twist it to some type of conspiracy or revenge. The reality is that what has happened to Cpl Miller's memorial is wrong, and you for some reason cannot understand that fact. It is too bad you do not have the intellect to comprehend that. But no need to worry, we understand and will not hold that against you.

Wendy said...

I agree about bringing this to the attention of national media. I have contacted the Today Show and CNN, with links to the Herald News story and the Fall River Blog.

I can only hope that some media outlet will pick up on this and let the American public weigh in on the enormity of what has really happened here. I, for one, would proudly contribute to restore the name Miller Green to this hallowed spot and to guarantee the upkeep.

It would indeed be sad to learn that Fall River may have a 66 year limit on honoring its fallen heroes.

Anonymous said...

Ok, I'll beg the question. How does Bob's approximately 6 months in the Marine Reserves equate to his ability to remove an honor of a fallen war hero?

Explain...

Anonymous said...

I would like more informtion on his service in the "reserves", evidently he does not find it of importance to serve his country.
Did he actually go to war or did he stay right here in fall river in the reserves?

Anonymous said...

The one thing we do know is that Bob Correia most CERTAINLY never went to war. Anon/Truthteller/GilC was right to use the phrase "Worn the uniform of their country" in speaking about Bob Correia, becuase that is most certainly all he ever did.

Anonymous said...

Thanks to everyone who is working toward any positive effort to correct this situation and return Miller Square to a place of reverence.

I really find it hard to believe that the family of Mr. McGovern, let alone the City of Fall River, has allowed this situation to continue.

I have read that the Memorial Garden looks much better now since the "improvements", and that is great. However, it seems to me from reading what history I can find on the Internet, that it is MILLER GREEN, a very appropriate place to honor our veterans and fallen heroes.

There must be another location in your fair city where memorials to private citizens can be placed.

Anonymous said...

The McGovern family will back off..not Correia

Anonymous said...

To those who taunted that nothing was going to happen or that it would remain McGovern Square you must feel pretty stupid right about now. Nothing is going to happen? I'll be seeing you when the McGoverns are pulling the monument out! They did the right thing, it's tood bad that Bob Correia and Pat Casey didn't but they will pay for it soon enough or would you like to post more comments that nothing will happen?

Anonymous said...

Unfortunate for the McGovern family to have to go through this hardship but they cannot rest with this controversy. I dont blame them at all. the mayor will NEVER admit any wrongdoing, he continues to save face at all costs. Megalomaniac. Dangerous.

Anonymous said...

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-73.htm

PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGSIN CRIMINAL CASES


TITLE I. CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS


CHAPTER 272. CRIMES AGAINST CHASTITY, MORALITY, DECENCY AND GOOD ORDER


Chapter 272: Section 73. Tombs, graves, memorials, trees, plants; injuring, removing


Section 73. Whoever wilfully destroys, mutilates, defaces, injures or removes a tomb, monument, gravestone, veterans grave marker or metal plaque, veterans flag holder that commemorates a particular war, conflict or period of service or flag, or other structure or thing which is placed or designed for a memorial of the dead, or a fence railing, curb or other thing which is intended for the protection or ornament of a structure or thing before mentioned or of an enclosure for the burial of the dead, or wilfully removes, destroys, mutilates, cuts, breaks or injures a tree, shrub or plant placed or being within such enclosure, or wantonly or maliciously disturbs the contents of a tomb or a grave, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than five years or by imprisonment in the jail or house of correction for not more than two and one-half years and by a fine of not more than five thousand dollars.

Anonymous said...

does this go for pat casey, when she stated that she received complaints about the memorial being dangerous, so she went and "painted the curbing around the monument yellow!!!" (Listen to her interview with Barry Richard--Outrageously comical!!