Saturday, September 13, 2008

SHAKEUP - Who could challenge in the 2009 City Council race?

The 2009 City Council race is more than a year away, but already people are calling for change. A series of 6-3 votes has firmly cemented the perception that the Mayor has 6 votes in his pocket. Of course the Mayor did nothing to discourage this by inviting the 'lockstep 6' to a fundraiser while shunning the other 3.

So while the rally cry for change is once again being heard, the reality is somewhat different. Change doesn't come easy. There were cries for change during the 2007 Council race and still not a single incumbent running for re-election was voted out.

So now we have to wonder who would be a viable candidate in 2009, and how would they get elected.

There are two names that immediately come to my mind, Eric Poulin and Mike Miozza. Both are intelligent guys, with well thought out opinions and ideas. Both have showed an ability to do the research needed to understand an issue or introduce an idea. Both have remained active in the community, Mike is still very much a part of the Hess LNG opposition and Eric was most recently part of the group that challenged the council vote on the fire chief home rule petition. Mike ran a very credible campaign that still leaves me puzzled as to why he lost. No council candidate did a better job to make himself and his platform known to the people. Eric missed advancing to the general election in his mayoral run by just a few hundred votes. I believe both now have the name recognition that makes people comfortable with voting for them.

The best thing about these two is I don’t view them as anti-Bob, although Poulin has demonstrated a strong dislike for the Mayor. I view them as independent thinkers who would vote their conscious.

Are there others who come to mind? Sure! I wouldn’t be surprised if Al Alves, Brad Kilby or Bill Whitty decided to make a run for the council. I’m not sure if they are the ‘change’ people are looking for, but they certainly would be formidable opponents. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Mark Costa or Shawn Cadime attempted a council run, again I’m not sure that constitutes change.

The ‘how’ is the tricky part. How do you re-elect those councilors who have been willing to go against the Mayor and 2 others? It’s not an easy task! Incumbents always have the advantage and those who have been there the longest usually have good support and well organized campaigns. What has to happen is a campaign needs to take place to get people to support JUST 5 council candidates. It’s not enough to get people to vote ONLY for the candidates they like best, thereby depriving the other candidates from the ability to get one of those 9 votes. No, what has to take place is a concentrated effort to ‘vote for change’. If change is represented by Councilors Hague, Pelletier and S. Camara then a ‘ticket’ of those 3 plus 2 ‘change’ candidates has to be pushed. If those candidates were Poulin and Miozza, then these 5 would have to campaign as a team. A vote for Leo would have to be a vote for the other 4. The message would have to be vote ‘5 for change’. It has to be stressed to vote for ONLY these 5 because depriving the other councilors from getting one of those 4 votes would be key. Otherwise their own base and the support of the Mayor would likely guarantee them re-election.

Lefty’s View: The city elections of 2007 proved that talk about change doesn’t equal change, and if you want change you’ve got to make it happen. Is this the way to do it? I have supported and voted for some of the ‘lockstep 6’. I could see voting for at least 1 of them again. I certainly wouldn’t vote for someone just because they were going to oppose the Mayor. But I’m convinced that if people want change THIS is the way to make it happen. Would I vote ‘5 for change’? I would certainly consider it if the 5 included candidates like Miozza and Poulin.


What additions would YOU like to see to the council?

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lefty,

You hit the nail right on the head!
There is an outcry for change. In 2007 we had too many mayoral candidates and it "split" the vote.
We ended up with the wrong type of change. As far as the city council race I think Erin Poulin and Brad Kilby would be the candidates I would vote for in addition to the majority 3. The candidates need to have the character and desire to do what is right for the city of fall river and not to pander to the current politicians.

Erin B

Anonymous said...

I'm fairly sure that both Whitty and Alves stated during the mayor's race that, win or loose, this would be their last race. There have been quite a few Kilby sightings at public events lately. Just this past week he was present in the audience at both the Viveiros and Fonseca School dedications. His presence was acknowledged from the podium at both events. Looks like a candidate to me.

Anonymous said...

Should we also look for a mayoral candidate to back? Maybe Kilby for mayor instead?

Lefty said...

Whitty and Alves did say this was there last run, but we've seen others 'retire' only to run again.

I've already had someone ask me 'what about Bigelow, or Boulay'? So I throw it out to all of you, any thoughts?

Wow! Lots of Kilby fans here! Am I the only one who would support Miozza?

I like Brad and have voted for him in the past but like I said in the post, is he 'change'? Somebody needs to make the case.

I agree that there has been a lot of public 'Brad sightings'. So a run for SOMETHING seems to make sense.

Brad for Mayor? You could make the case that Brad had the most disastrous Mayoral campaign in 2007, and I still don't see anyone beating Bob Correia.

Anonymous said...

If you mean by "change" change from the current 6 rubber stamp councilors then I believe that Kilby demonstrated over his years on both the council and school committee that he wasn't that type of elected official. If you mean "change" simply for the sake of new faces, then yeah he doesn't fit that bill. He has my vote if he runs for council, I doubt he would get back into the mayor's race.

Anonymous said...

I think that Poulin and Kilby both did fairly well in the mayor's race given the crowded field of well known incumbent candidates, which leads me to believe that both would do well in a council race this year. Poulin, as a relative unknown at the time finished ahead of the incumbent City Council Prsident ( which I would argue gives the distinction of the most disastrous mayoral campaign to Whitty not to Kilby who finished a close 4th ). Bigelow is interesting in that he seemed in a strong position to take one of the 9 council seats after the primary only to fall to 10th in the final. The problem there if you are looking to move away from the rubber stamp crowd you run into the fact that Bigelow is a suppoter of the current mayor, as evidenced by his recent appointment to the Diman school Board. I've also heard a few other interesting names, people well known behind the scenes in local politics who have never run for office who might be making the leap this coming year. Of course the discussion at some point will have to turn to who currently on the council is vulnerable.

Anonymous said...

Hurricocaine should run for the Council.

Hell No to KILBY!!! We don't need no more Carlton cronies coming back. Carlton has been MIA for 15 years. Then his protege Bobby the Boob Correira gets in and all of sudden Carlton is back??? What is next more housing projects!

Elect the Hurricocaine in 09!!!

Anonymous said...

How is Kilby a Carlton Cronie? IF Carlton backed Correira for Mayor that means he DIDN"T back Kilby. Your logic on that one escapes me.

Anonymous said...

Where has Carl been for the past 15 years???? Why the interest now? So he can get his name on a school? Will we expect to see John Mitchell get back in the game? Will Driscoll?

Anonymous said...

The damage Viverios did to this city is still causing us to suffer. He was a AWFUL mayor and many got rich by him selling the city for projects. He and his crew of bandits are looking for another payday

Anonymous said...

Does anyone honestly believe that Carlton Viveiros (or John Mitchell for that matter) has ever been OUT of politics in Fall River. This is getting a little off topic but once these politicians have put together an organization such as it takes to become mayor, that network doesn'r disappear over night. Favors are owed, phone calls are made and influence is used for years to come. The name may no longer be on the ballot, but they never are out of the game.

Anonymous said...

Once you are out.....you are out. Organizations move on to the next guy, the only people left are the personal friends of the former elected officials.

Anonymous said...

brian Bigelow is not the answer for Sure. He would definetly be another bobble head. After all he was lambert's booblehead that got nick fisher his job. Remember he wanted to be on the committee because it was "all about the kids." He got rid of that slogan when he realized there's more power on the council. Isn't he now working for the Sherif. Come on another politicla "Hack." Let him find a job in the real world.

Anonymous said...

Back to the subject. I also like Poulin and Kilby. Both ran quality races for Mayor. Both are educated and intelligent. Both are very indep.and would vote their conscience. Good choices here.

Anonymous said...

It's an interesting concept to vote for a block of 5. The 3 perceived "independent" councilors plus two others who would be like minded. The problem is if you are voted in as a block, wouldn't you then be expected to always vote together ? Kind of removes the whole lack of independence that we have been complaining about and just intoduces a rubber stamp block in the opposite direction. Also if the proposal is to keep the 3 and add 2 from outside the current council than the 2 from outside had better be viable candidates. Nothing against Mr. Miozza, but the 9th place finisher, Mr. Lund, had just over 6,500 votes in the last election and Mr. Miozza didn't even crack 4,000. We need somebody who is going to be closer than that, bcause you can't expect that "plunking" isn't going to occur, no matter how hard you try. Also, with all due respect to Mr. Poulin and his surprising results, he did finish 5th in what was essentially a 6 man race. I think the surprise was that he finished ahead of Whitty, but otherwise it wasn't earthshattering. And what is with the Poulin/ Miozza joined at the hip thing, anyway? They tried this in the last election and it didn't work.

Anonymous said...

The change I am looking for is for forward thinking candidates. I am not opposed to previous councilors returning if we can be sure of their intentions on bringing the city into the future and not being rubber stamped as you call it. I am also not opposed to giving a new face a chance as well if they have some experience qualifications and "gumption" behind them.

I will NOT VOTE for camara, casey,
vivieros, pereira( for any seat).
Leo is growing on me and I may give Lund another look if he starts putting some of his self made business sense to use to benefit the city his business is
located in.

Lefty said...

Anon 2:45 - great comment!

I agree that voting for a block of 5 could be nothing more than voting in a council where the majority opposes the Mayor.

If that were the case I certainly wouldn't support such a tactic. However I do think Poulin and Miozza would be independent voters, who would put the time and effort in to really research an issue. Apparently some feel the same way about Brad Kilby, I still need to be sold on that.

I think you're right that plunking is going to occur, but really this whole tactic IS plunking. You're basically trying to convince people who support any of these 5 to vote for all 5, but more importantly NOT vote for the others you are hoping to vote out.

Are Miozza and Poulin strong enough candidates to challenge a field of incumbents? I'm not sure, but really you're hoping that between the votes they can get on their own and the votes that they get by people voting for the block that it would put them over the top. You have to remember that anyone voting for the block is denying votes to the opposition, and I think that's key.

I think Poulin is a stronger council candidate than he was a mayoral candidate. People have 9 council votes to play with. I think they are more likely to take a chance with one of those votes than they would a mayoral vote. While Miozza fell 2,200 votes shy of being elected it was a odd situation where several challengers were familiar names that people had voted for before. The only newcomer who finished higher was Lund, who I believe spent more money on his campaign than any other councilor. I think he actually spent more than some Mayoral candidates.

Oh, and Anon 11:47 - I view Kilby's as the most disastrous Mayoral campaign because he came in 5th with just a few more votes than Poulin, yet he loaned his own campaign over $40,000! Ouch!

Anonymous said...

Will all due respect to anonymous at 2:45 "The problem is if you are voted in as a block, wouldn't you then be expected to always vote together?" Um no, the answer is no, the idea is to vote in people who are "independent" meaning that they won't always vote along with one another but they are civilized enough to agree to disagree when that happens and sometimes they may vote with the Mayor and sometimes they wouldn't but they would base their decisions on the merits of the Mayor's proposals or lack thereof rather than whether or not he is going to give them a liquor license or jobs for their kids or help in their State Rep race, etc.

Also, with all due respect, I think any of the former mayoral candidates would have a great shot at getting on the City Council, Alves, Kilby, Poulin or Whitty. I think everyone knew it was going to really be a race for 2nd with the kind of money that the newspaper reported that Bob Correia was raising plus Bob having help from his own campaign plus Carlton and Ed's people but the difference between Alves, Kilby and Poulin making the final instead of Sullivan was probably 200 votes or less. All 3 of them did very well in the fight to see who would face the juggernaut Bob Correia. The big shock was Bill Whitty being so far from the pack but even then I think he could win a City Council seat once again very easily. People may not see Whitty as mayoral material but I think they always liked him on the Council.

Anonymous said...

So are we saying that the $ amount of each candidates campaign directly correlates to where they come in at the polls?

Lefty said...

Not at all!

Al Alves raised just over 30k (actually about 20k, he loaned himself 10k) and has a very strong 3rd place finish.

But Kilby loaned himself more than he raised - had more campaign funds than Dave Sullivan and still came in 5th. For the amount of money he raised and the amount of money he loaned himself, about 77k in all, I think his 5th place was a poor showing. I'll admit Whitty's campaign did no better, raised over 70k without resulting to loaning his campaign anything and still finished 6th, but at least Bill didn't walk away 40k in debt.

And Anon 4:32 - I agree with you completely!

Anonymous said...

I don't think it is all about money but most of the time the candidate that raises the most money wins, it doesn't happen all the time but it does happen most of the time so you can't deny that money plays an important role. It certainly lets you buy more ads on tv, radio and in the newspaper telling everyone how great it would be if you were elected. My guess is that a lot of people don't pay attention to anything except the flashy ads unfortunately.

I disagree with lefty that Kilby had the most disastrous mayoral campaign, that award has to go to Whitty. If you are talking about who loaned themselves the most money and hurt themselves in that way then maybe the award goes to Brad, I'm not sure because I don't know how much each candidate loaned themselves but I do know that Brad came so close to being in the 2nd spot that it is hard to say it was wasted money, more like the people that gave to Bill Whitty wasted their money unless of course they really believed in him then when you donate to someone you believe in I don't think you lose no matter what. I can't help thinking though that a lot of people were backing Bill because they thought Ed Lambert would step down early and that would give Whitty the edge. Whitty should've been smart enough to figure out that Bob Correia would never allow Lambert to do that as long as Whitty was still in the race, not if Lambert wanted his cushy job at UMass anyway.

Lefty said...

Well to see who raised and spent what, check out this blog post..

http://aviewfrombattleshipcove.blogspot.com/2007/09/how-much-would-you-pay-to-be-mayor.html

The Precinct totals for the 2007's mayoral race were:
Robert Correia 4271
David Sullivan 2516
Alfredo Alves 2260
Brad Kilby 2207
Eric Poulin 2165
William Whitty 2054
Manny Alves 106
Ken Medeiros 74
Total 15653

Anonymous said...

Good for Kilby to be willing to put his money where his mouth is. By the way I think you are off when you say he loaned himself more then he raised, you might want to check your numbers on that one. Sorry, Lefty, if this thread didn't go the way you wanted and everyone didn't just jump on board to support the 2 candidates that you proposed, ouch!

Anonymous said...

In debt to who? He loaned HIMSELF the money. I suppose it would be pretty easy to forgive that loan, no ?

Anonymous said...

Before anyone beats me up I'm not saying poulin wouldn't make a good mayor or councillor I'm just saying don't expect it to happen. Not that it shouldn't happen, just that it won't happen. I can give your four letters as to why it won't happen, WSAR. Don't you think every talk show host on that station would have instructions from Bob Karam to kick his head in every chance they got or to ignore him completely? Poulin basically called out Bob Karam last year during the campaign and again this year, the Karams are pretty powerful and anyone that runs on a "I'm going to stand up to them" platform is not going to get elected. All that type of platform is going to earn you is daily beatings on the radio. Do you think if Ed Lambert ran on that type of platform in 1995 that he would've been elected mayor? Once you get elected mayor and are the incumbent you can take tough positions and maybe survive but when you haven't been elected before you can't take tough positions as just a candidate.

There's a difference here between realism and idealism. Once you are an incumbent things are pretty good for you but getting elected in the first place is very difficult but if you are going to do what poulin did last election and spell out your position on every single little issue plus try to take on powers like Bob Karam you make the job of getting elected even more difficult if not impossible. Let's face it, most people win by being vague and not very specific on issues and they also don't try to rock the boat by calling out people that are powerful.

Anonymous said...

Candidates loan money to their campaigns all the time. From the national level on down. Sullivan loaned himself money during the mayor's race. Joe Martins ran for city council a few years back and financed the whole campaign out of his own pocket. I think that this whole conversation is premature. There is an eternity between now and the next city election. A million things could take place between now and then that could change the political landscape. We have a primary election this Tuesday with state reps. races and county races being decided (and look at some of those campaign finance reports to see who loaned their campaigns what), then in November we have the big one. Maybe we should focus on the present instead of getting into arguments about who may or may not run in the distant future.

Anonymous said...

I think the truth is that both Kilby and Poulin were willing to put their money where their mouths were since the articles I read in the Herald suggest that they both loaned themselves money. I also thought both of them did well in the debates and that both of them came across as young and energetic, educated, intelligent and articulate. Either one would've made a much better mayor than Correia. I voted for Kilby but Poulin was my 2nd choice. I'd take either one for mayor over Correia and certainly the thought of the both of them on the council I think would be exciting, it would be a nice change from the current council with all of that extra added brain power! Imagine having councilors who could think for themselves?

Anonymous said...

I speak for Brad Kilby on a regular basis and he has stated repeatedly that he's done with politics. He is enjoy the time he can now soend with his family. He been very busy building at successful law practice. He was the only candidate who would have had to take a major pay cut if he was elected Mayor

Anonymous said...

Brad will seek office again, most likely for City Council. Although, I hope he will run for Mayor in the future. I speak with him weekly and he misses making a contrib. to the City. Lets face, it he works hard and is well respected.

Anonymous said...

Hey Anon 5:51, just trying to decipher your post. I assume in the first sentence that you mean you speak TO Brad Kilby on a regular basis not FOR him (I hope). Second sentence: "He is enjoy the time he can now soend with his family." What ? Third sentence about being busy building that successful practice, been hearing that for about a decade now. And finally, doing us all a favor by taking " a major paycut" to be Mayor, Please !

Anonymous said...

WOW! I just signed on and read through this thread. I guess it is obvious that there is strong feeling regarding Mr. Kilby. I guess if I had to bet today, based on what I have read here , that Brad is a candidate to return to the council,point taken, but the original post, if I raed it correctly, was about how to turn the tide on the current council, and that would take at least two new members, not just Attorney Kilby, not to mention the fact that the current administration, lacking a strong opponent, may turn it's attention to keeping it's majority of council support. So I guess the question is who, besises Mr. Kilby, are we looking to for help. I suppose Mr. Poulin has been mentioned the most often, but I think a strong field will be necessary to offset any potential candidates that may be backed by the current admnistration.

Anonymous said...

Lefty,
I believe it was Ghandi who stated that "you have to be the change that you are seeking." Lefty, you love to speak from the pulpit of your computer den, do you have the Ba*&s to run and make the change? lol I'll vote for you, only about 4498 more. I'm taking it for granted that you are going to vote for yourself! Lefty for Council! Lefty for Council!

Anonymous said...

The mayoral debates from last year can still be viewed on-line. Poulin and Kilby were by far the most prepared and most effective. I was excited with the poss. that one of them would be Mayor. Sullivan was terrible. I MEAN terrible. I hope Poulin and Kilby run for Council next year.

Anonymous said...

I don't agree that this "argument" is premature and everyone so far has had a good case please remember the intent of the original post was to change the landscape of the current city council. Discussions like this are what the democratic process is all about!

Oh by the way can you name any other politicians that took a cut in pay to be in office?

Anonymous said...

If you read the actual article referred to in leftys blog


it is very telling. Maybe we should be asking WHO is contributing to the campaigns and not if the candidates are contributing out of pocket.

In hindsight if you look at the mayors donors in that article they have all received some form of political payback!!!!

http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x477567517

Donors to Correia’s campaign include Jay Cashman, the former owner of the Shell Oil site at Weaver’s Cove, who contributed $500 — the maximum donation allowed under campaign finance laws.
Other donors include attorney Arthur Frank ($450), Fall River Ford owner Fernando Garcia ($500), University of Massachusetts Dartmouth President Jean F. MacCormack ($425), President and founder of First Bristol Corp. James Karam ($500), Karam Financial President Robert Karam ($500), Bristol Community College President John Sbrega ($125) and Citizens Union Savings Bank President Nicholas Christ ($200).
Correia also picked up donations from political action committees for the Massachusetts Beer Distributors, the Massachusetts Police Association and the National Association of Government Employees.
Correia also reported loaning himself $12,000 for his campaign. His largest reported expenditures included a $20,452 bill for a fundraiser at the Venus de Milo.

Anonymous said...

What an interesting commentary tonight. In order to respond. Yes, I like Carlton. He is an inspiration. Yes, I invested my own money, as others did, in a Mayoral Camp., money well invested by the way. As I have learned, Mayoral campaigns are expesive but memorable. I may try again someday. Finally, Yes, I have some very good friends out there. Thank you JT, you are best. It is getting late. Good night to everyone. Thank you for getting me fired up Lefty.
Signed,
Brad

Lefty said...

LOL - Lefty for City Council! There's a lot of reasons why I don't think that is going to happen but...

Kilby and 40k - I'm either impressed that he put 40k of his own money in his campaign or I'm nervous about it. Even so I'd love to see him make another run for council.

Not liking my choices - I picked two guys that I thought would be independent and good additions. I'm not disappointed that people have differing views. In fact, I'd love to hear more choices and really good arguments for them.

Premature - Sure the next council race is a long way off, but already I'm hearing people cry out for change. It seemed like a topic that people were interested in so I decided to share an observation. Like anon 8:07 noted, the post is really about how to change the political landscape (at least in my opinion). It's about change and how to get it. I think it's interesting to discuss who people view as the best candidates for change.

Certainly we should discuss current events, and the state rep. race is on my mind too, this was just something that caught my interest and hopefully yours too.

It Said said...

Those of you wanting "change" have to realize that with a Strong Mayor/Weak Council sort of Government that Fall River currently has, "change" has to start in the sixth floor office of Government Center..and Robert Correia is going to be in that office for as long as he likes..I'm beginning to wonder if anyone other Poulin or C-J Ferry might run just for the sake of Bob having some opposition..

But you have to remember some things..

Poulin will get the millstone that is becoming the Lambert Administration hung around his neck..and Bob Karam will never allow Poulin's voice to be heard on WSAR unless Poulin pays for the time..Karam will make sure Barry Richards and "The Hurricane" have their marching orders before going on the air..and they'll make sure Poulin is toast before one ballot is cast..

We heard this whole "change" mantra in 2007..and what happened?

Look, Bob is going to raise more than enough money to scare any worthy challengers off the stage..as for Council, people are going to whine and bitch about it till hell freezes over, but the same nine will be sitting right where they are right now..

The only question I have is, is Correia going to do a third term or call it a day in 2011?

puck said...

Lefty, I, too, am surprised that no one picked up on your idea of Miozza and Poulin for City Council. Notwithstanding the political realities It Said has proffered, I would absolutely vote for both of them. They have continued to show a dedication to improving the ills of this city even when they aren't trying to get our votes. That's true commitment! We long for independent leaders but that requires independent voters.

Brad Kilby? Never! Have you all forgotten his poor judgment in pushing for an NFL quality football field at Durfee when students were lacking books? Doesn't anyone remember the email threatening physical retribution against Keri Rodrigues that Kilby's campaign sent to her when she failed to treat him with kid gloves in an interview? Besides, do you honestly believe this man is an independent thinker? Yikes!

Anonymous said...

Puck,

I usually agree with your comments but I do have to disagree on Kilby.
The city was funded through grants for the schools as you have heard from the current administration books were not funded by that grant so it is a separate issue.
I like Keri and she is a big girl and can take care of herself I wouldn't worry about her, look at the wsar incidents!! I know him and yes he is an independent thinker and is not part of the old boys next work. He just may be one of the people we are looking for to move this city forward and get it done. I will vote for him and eric poulin and I think you should look into this further! Thanks for letting me have an opinion here. Lefty you seem to be posting some topics and getting a good debate going lately!!!

ErinB

Anonymous said...

Here we go with the football fields vs. textbooks argument again. Puck, try and follow along. The football fields, practice facility. track, tennis courts and parking lot reconstruction were funded through a capital improvement bond, approved by the city council and the mayor. These bonds are used to do capital improvement projects. They are paid back over a 20 year period. It is called debt service and the payments come out of the city side of the budget, not the school department budget. The money can not be used to purchase text books,it's an apples and oranges argument. From the look of the comments on this blog there seems to be an awful lot of attention being paid to Mr. Kilby and not much mention of any other candidates. Seems to me IF Kilby wants back on the council he could do so.

Anonymous said...

I agree but let's stay on the original topic that Lefty posted, it is going to take more than not re-electing one incumbent for a real shakeup. We have already seen how this "majority rubber stamp" council works against all of us!! So how do we ensure they are not re-elected???

EB

Anonymous said...

EB,

You are correct if there is going to be a shake up it will take a lot more then just Kilby seeking to return. A strong field of challengers will be required. It is not unprecedented. Rember about a dozen years or so ago when 6 new councilors won office in one election ?

Anonymous said...

I think we are on the right track here. What we could summize from the previous blogs is that no one in the city is going to beat Deputy Dawgs war chest.
We also have to realize that this is in fact a strong mayor system. But quoting a man (steve camara) that I did not vote for, but will the next time around, "because this is a strong mayor system, it does not imply that it is a weak council system, it is a strong mayor/strong council system.
What we (current outsiders)need to do is vote the three back and advocate strongly for two others. This would only gaurantee that the power will balance out, it certainly not an anti vote. With a strong five, you get your strong Council back!! Little i

Anonymous said...

fallrivercommunity.blogspot.com/


From the correct website for one of the city councilors that should not be elected:

http://lindaforstaterep.com/specialties.html

Linda has been a member of the Fall River City Council, going on 9 years. She has served with Mayor John Mitchell, Mayor Edward Lambert and Presently with Mayor Robert Correia. Linda is presently a member of the Ordinance Committee and Chairman of the Committee on Regulations. As a City Councilor, Linda has filed numerous resolutions such as:



Requesting a city audit
Opposing HESS LNG and funding the monies for legal representation of the project. (The State has not spent one cent !)
Child Safety Zone where level 3 Sex Offenders are not allowed
Green Initiative Programs and Turbine power
Video surveillance cameras
Exploring a recycling program to add 100 new jobs paying 15.00 to 20.00 per hour
Created the Human Services Committee
Created the Disability Commission




While on the City Council serving with Mayor John Mitchell, Linda was solely responsible for securing $500,000.00 for the Dave's Beach Project. Linda, as the chairman of the Human Service Committee, was instrumental in the creation of the first After Prom Party hosted at Durfee High School. Linda values the youth of our community and has worked on many programs to empower youth to make good choices.



Linda's 90 year old father, Fernando, has lived with her and Lou for the past 4 years. Through this arrangement Linda has gained expertise in dealing with issues concerning healthcare and the elderly. Linda realizes the need for medical advocacy for the elderly population. A WWII veteran, Linda's father receives medical care from the VA hospital in Providence, RI. She understands that many of our elderly have concerns and difficulties with their health insurance. Medication costs, alone are a burden for many. Linda also has a concern for the safety of our elderly population. She believes that all State and Federal Elder Housing Developments should have security to provide a safe "worry free" atmosphere for our seniors. Linda advocates strongly that any violent crime against an elderly person should have severe sentencing.




Linda volunteers for various causes. She volunteered in building a playground for children at the Boy's and Girl's Club on Bedford Street, and has volunteered at numerous benefits and events for the community. Community members have said she has done many helpful deeds such as simple things like making a donations to the North End Baseball League had their equipment was stolen.

puck said...

Thank you, ErinB and anonymous 11:06, for enlightening me about the football field funding, but it seems that that has been Kilby's most memorable accomplishment even though it is one that does nothing to improve education per se. That was really my point. Where was Kilby's focus while in office? (And, honestly, was that the best use of capital improvement funds? Don't know, just asking.)

However, I am willing to keep an open mind about Kilby's record if he runs again, as I am not as familiar with it as I am with those of currently sitting councilors. Can someone point out the positive accomplishments of his political career? Seriously, he seems to have a lot of fans. What am I missing?

As for the threat to Keri R., I think we've all seen she can take care of herself, but the incident speaks to Kilby's integrity and good sense as a politician, an attorney and a human being. Even if he may have been unaware of the email before it was sent, did he publicly condemn it afterwards? Perhaps he did, though I don't recall that happening. And if he didn't, doesn't that constitute his tacit approval?

Oh, and thanks, anonymous 11:06, for your concern about my ability to follow along. I usually do OK with big ideas and big words and other big stuff like that.

Anonymous said...

Puck
I'll take your word on the fact that you are able to follow along on the big ideas. You previous post with regard to the campus improvement vs. textbooks indicated otherwise. By the way in the same city budget that the bond for the campus improvements was floated, there was $1 million dollars allocated for the purchase of new textbooks.

Anonymous said...

This has turned into all Kilby all the time. What happened to the original intent of this thread, how do we get a more balanced, less rubber stamp council? Lets say for the sake of argument that Kilby will run again for council, which hasn't been made claer, but lets just say that he does. O.K.,that's fine with me, but that doesn't get it done, we need more, viable candidates, and that I believe was the original intent of this thread. Who are they ?

Anonymous said...

I know new people have a hard time cracking the Fall River political scene, but there has to be some new blood out there. I'm not saying young or old, just different from the same old same old. Some fresh thinking would be nice. Of course it was demonstrated in the last election that as much as change is discussed it's hard to pull of in this city. We elected a 30 year incumbent state rep as mayor, returned two former city councilors to the city council, and elected the retired former director at Diman to the school committee. That isn't change. There is a saying in Texas as quoted by Tom Friedman in today's N.Y. Times "if all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you've ever got."

Lefty said...

Certainly this post isn't about any one council candidate. Brad Kilby is someone I've voted for, someone I'd be interested in hearing from again.

Is there anyone else that people would like to see make a run?

I noted the comment on Linda and not to single her out, but this is kind of my point. You can't vote Linda out of the council. The way the system works NOT voting for a candidate isn't effective. That's why I think if you want change you need 5 candidates to run as the coalition for change. Agree? Disagree?

Anonymous said...

Agreed, but walk me through how exactly this would work. My thought was in my case I would not vote for the majority 6. I would vote kilby, poulin, steve camara, hague and maybe leo.

EB

Anonymous said...

EB,

That is exactly how it would work. By voting for five, and only five, you are denying votes to the majority 6.

Anonymous said...

If not leo , How about miozza or pat richards or another first time
candidate?

Anonymous said...

Pat Richards finished in last place in 2007. He is not a viable candidate for this purpose.

But thanks for that reference because it made me think of a candidate that I don't think has been mentioned in these 50+ comments.

BRIAN DIAS - who I believe received only 100 votes less than Miozza, so if Miozza is viable, so is Dias, although they both still remained about 2,300 votes away from finishing in the top 9.

Leo is the top vote-getter in the City Council and this plan to "Just vote 5" won't work unless Leo is the cornerstone to raise the visibility of the other candidates - especially since Hague- finishing 9th is at risk although there is about a "comfortable" 300 vote difference between 9th and 10th place in 2007.

Lefty said...

But keep in mind it's not just voting for 5 it's everyone voting for the SAME 5, otherwise this doesn't work.

Look at it this way, If 1000 voters voted for 'just 5' that mean there are 4000 votes denied to any of the other candidates.

I agree that Dias is viable, but has he been visible?

eb said...

So we need 5 candidates that in addition to the qualificationw we are looking for have the name recongnition and ability to garner the votes away from the majority 6 and essentially shut them down!!

Anonymous said...

I like Miozza and am glad someone mentioned Brian Dias, he comes across very intelligent and I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Council.

I had another thought since there seems to be a lot of people talking about Kilby and Poulin, I also have a lot of respect for both of them too, they both earned my respect after watching the two of them debate last year but one of the things that is exciting about national politics in the whole ticket thing, the President/Vice President, there seems to always be a lot of excitement around the selection of a Vice President. I think the Kilby and Poulin folks should get together and talk about running as Mayor and Deputy Mayor. Just a thought. It hasn't been done before so why not? The Mayor when he gets in can just rename one of the positions already in the Mayor's Office as Deputy Mayor, it doesn't have to cost anything extra plus Correia it seems brought his whole staff from Boston to the Mayor's Office and gave them all raises so you could maybe eliminate a position or two like that or reduce the pay and find the money. It's just a thought but I think it would be something exciting and different and maybe the only way you could beat Correia would be by doing something creative like that to get people interested and excited in city politics.

Anonymous said...

Well we already have a Deputy Dawg so why not a Deputy Mayor !!! :)

Anonymous said...

What about Kilby for President of the City Council and Poulin for Vice President? Too bad we can't vote for those positions and the councillors get to pick them.

Roger Williams said...
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Lefty said...

Roger Williams is enthusiastic in his support of Councilor Kilby.