Friday, August 29, 2008

Besides the mess at WSAR, is there anything else going on in Fall River?

"We should really move on to more important subjects. Like the presidential election!" - anonymous

I have to agree the disaster at WSAR has dominated peoples attention but what else is going on in and around Fall River?

Yes, the presidential election is important, but let's cover it briefly from a local angle. Obama wins Fall River, Obama wins Massachusetts. There that covers that. What? More observation? Obama's speech was brilliant. He said just what everyone wanted to hear and made promises he will NEVER keep, but the speech was brilliantly written and delivered with immense passion and charisma. McCain's pick for vice president will steal some thunder however. Governor Sarah Palin from Alaska is a pick that was on NOBODY'S radar, if nothing else it's a brilliant pick because of it comes as a complete surprise. It's also a great compromise pick. Palin is conservative, to reassure the far right. She is young, which helps diffuse McCain's age and at the same time gives some light on the future of the party. She's a woman and as much as I would like to think that doesn't matter, there are women out there that after seeing Hillary run feel now is the time to put a woman on the national stage. The only problems I have is she has NO name recognition and it seems like she was picked off a score card. Young, check...Conservative, check...Female, check. Gee if only she were black. Still it's a pick that should help McCain.

How about what is going on here?

Well I think the most interesting story is if the school department will renew Superintendent Fischer's contract. They need to give him an answer and time is running out. On the one hand the city's schools seem to be moving in the right direction. Despite Fischer having to deal with a tight budget and now budget cuts. The problem is, certain members of the school committee seem ready to attack Fischer at every turn. On top of that Fisher has a reputation of being rather arrogant, to the point where I think it has affected the morale of department employees. There are also concerns about whether or not the school department is too top heavy. Still, Fischer's future is very important not just to him but to us. If Fisher is moving the school system in the right direction and we get rid of him what happens to the progress we've made?

I've also been amused by the exchange of letters to the editor at the Herald News. Former council candidate Dave Proulx submitted a letter in opposition to the 'wild scenic' designation of the lower Taunton River. Mike Miozza, a former council candidate himself wrote a letter in response. This was followed up by another letter from Proulx and now another letter from Miozza. Like I said, I find it rather amusing, although I give both men credit for their passion.

The story at WSAR however, is inescapable. It's not just going to go away and for the those who have yet to find, Keri's second blog post can be found here.

106 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's seem the location has changed but history seem to repeat itself when it comes to Dr. Nicholas Fischer, the "one eyed Jack."

In 2002 the largest teachers association in the State of Delaware unanimously voiced "NO CONFIDENCE" in his leadership.

This is what was written about Nick Fischer's successor in Delaware in November 2004.

Wise was hired to resolve a worsening financial crisis and shake the school district out of its doldrums, to “rock the paradigms,” according to The Business Ledger, a local newspaper. He acted quickly, revamping accounting procedures and asking for a state audit of the district’s books and an independent evaluation of all district programs. He says he’s tried hard to get everyone to buy into his administration, to see that they have a place, a role, a responsibility.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why some (read WSAR) are so worried that time is running out and that Fischer needs an answer right away.

The deadline to inform Dr. Fischer whether or not we will negotiate for a new contract is September 6th. My calendar informs me that we are still in August.

"Oh, but this delay will have Fischer worried..." The deadline in September 6th! Plus, Fischer doesn't have to worry because he has the votes on his side... at worst it will be a 4-3 vote and then some nutjob (read Marilyn Roderick) will move for a unanimous vote and then presto! unanimity!

With the support of the BCC President, UMass Chancelor, and Mike Herren, (who practically wanted to run the Superintendent out of town a few months ago), Dr. Fischer has it made.

His only concern is what would be an acceptable raise to ask for during negotiations.

Anonymous said...

The school committee needs to renew Dr. Fischer contract. I see Fischer has a good doctor he has a terrible bedside manner but he can cure what ails ya! I hope the committee is not foolish enough to put their egos ahead of education. I don't blame Fischer and his team from leaving them out of the loop. That's what ed reform was supposed to do. Take the politics out of education.

It Said said...

You think Bobby Correia and Bobby Karam will be making some offers that can't be refused? Like one to Kevin Augiar to remind him of why he is on Beacon Hill and who put him there?

I mean come on the Karam family will be "completely legitimate" in five years..right?

They'll do their screaming and yelling behind closed doors, and maybe delay the vote until Wednesday just to make it interesting..but we all know how this is going to turn out...

Anonymous said...

McCain's Vice Presidential pick is terrible, the Republicans complain about Barack Obama's experience, he was in his state legislature for 8 years, this woman was in her state legislature for 20 months. She adds just about zero to the ticket, this move helps out Obama and Biden a great deal.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps they such postpone the vote until after the first day of school. For all reports between bus transportation and employees not knowing where to report, it may well be chaotic.

As for his ability to cure the city's educational ills please look at the first post. He still can't manage a budget and he still has no respect for classroom teachers.

Educational reform legislation requires the empowerment of teachers, decisions to be made by the people who work in each school, and parents to be part of the process. Dr. Fischer completely ignores that part of the law.

Don't be surprised if the DEO pays Fall River over its non=compliance with regulations realated to English Language Learners.

Anonymous said...

if anyone watched a school committee meeting they would have seen the obvious difficulty Dr fisher's leadership team had in producing accurate and timely information, especially in the area of expenditures. This guy is not worth the money we are paying. We can get someone of equal talent for less money.

Anonymous said...

I disagree. The Fall River Public Schools have progressed under Dr. Fischer's watch and I don't think we can risk bringing someone new and hinder the progress that has been made.

Anonymous said...

May well be chaotic? Anon at 7:32 I can guarantee that you are making an understatement. As someone who used to drive a school bus in this city, I can tell you that the bussing from past years was very chaotic for a few weeks because Dr. Fischer's people have no idea what they are doing. There's nothing that I can do to help out at this point so I'm going to grab a chair, a big bucket of popcorn and I'm going to get ready to watch the show. I know that sounds awful, but I honestly think it's going to be a big mess.

Anonymous said...

Yes the Fall River Schools have progressed not because of Dr. Fischer's leadership, inspite of his financial incompete and his lack of support for the teaching staff.

Anonymous said...

If Dr. Fischer is a hindrance to the progress, then why were things so bad before his tenure?

Anonymous said...

Because top adminstrators were being picked by the same politicians that hired him. Things have gotten better because the students in high school are first to go through the MCAS cycle starting in the 4th grade. Things would have gotten better no matter who was Superintendent of Schools. The real credit goes to the classroom teachers have worked hard without his support or his respect.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying that things were bad before Dr. Fischer's arrival because the School Committee poorly picked the top administrators?

Then the School Committee chose Dr. Fischer, and although things progressed, it has nothing to do with Dr. Fischer at all...

I do think there is validity to the statement that these students were familiar with the MCAS, and thus scores were better.

But when the 2 leaders of BCC and UMass Dartmouth vocally support Dr.Fischer's tenure,it is hard to dispute that Dr. Fischer is the right person for the job.

Anonymous said...

Of course the Chancellor and Sbrega were asked to intervene by Mr. Karam. So it is a done deal. Marc Costa is the deciding vote. I would be surprised if he doesn't vote with the majority considering the Karams will have him un-elected next time! Fischer is in, like it or not. It's all for show.I actually would not be surprised if there is a unanimous vote! Fischer is bad news, took staff out of schools and created many more administrative positions. Schools have suffered. Teacher and staff morale is in the gutter.

Anonymous said...

Transportation will be a nightmare! Dennis Sullivan is completely incompetent and in over his head big-time.

Anonymous said...

I know there is a Karam on the Board of Trustees of both BCC and UMass Dartmouth, but how would the Karam's have so much sway to incluence the judgment of the Presidents of those schools.

What do the Karams have to gain if Dr. Fischer stays or goes?

Lefty said...

I think the superintendent question is really interesting.

I have talked to educators who like Fischer and many more who don't.

Our schools are moving in the right direction but does Fischer get the credit? I think the observation that improvement was inevitable is a good one. Changes in education do not show an impact overnight.

I've read comments here and on the Herald News blaming Fischer for all the school departments issues. I don't think that's fair. Closing the neighborhood schools and opening mega-schools was not Dr. Fischer's idea. The plan for new schools was in place long before he got here. Once the new schools open it's obvious that some of the smaller older schools were going to close. Was this change a good idea? That's a topic for another post. Is the school department too top heavy, I'm sure you could make some cuts there. But, cuts in the school department budget certainly impact the quality of education, from what we can offer, to the number of teachers and the size of our classrooms.

Maybe Fischer should go, but who do we replace him with. I'm not saying he should stay, but I certainly have a 'devil you know vs. the devil you don't' feeling.

Anonymous said...

Karam serves on the Board of Trustees that McCormack and Sbrega have to answer to. Do you think they would cross him? Bobby Karam is a power hungry political boss. He wants to control nearly all aspects of economic and political life in Fall River.

RadioFree said...

You can bet that every single member of the Fall River School Committee has been in Bob Karam's office for a "meeting" ... on NUMEROUS occassions.

And don't forget, Bob Karam was on the search committee that recommended Dr. Fischer. I know Bob didn't want ME to forget it.

Anonymous said...

Wow!

Puts a new light on Hurricane's recent change of heart about Fischer!

Anonymous said...

So there is a roundabout connection with Karam and Fisher. I don't think Costa would have any chutzpah to go against Correia. He too has become a bobblehead. Very Interesting, would love to know which committee members if any have ever had any meetings with Karam other than initial Sup. selection.

Anonymous said...

OK RadioFree. Tell us about those meetings. Yours and others. Please elaborate now that you can!

Anonymous said...

Radiofree, I believe it! As far as Fischer, he is in, right, despite what"s the Herald News reported today? Costa will support him, but he gets more attention saying he is "undecided". What will be a hoot is if/when Kevin Aguiar reluctantly supports him in his sulking "I don't want to but I will..." type of way. I'm sure he needs favors from the mayor, so vote accordingly...is that it??
Please share what you know, as you are able.

Anonymous said...

I think you people are finally on the right track. It's all about money, power and control. I was sickened by all the interviews on WSAR where hosts danced around Fischer when he blatantly lied!I guess there's been backdoor deals between Nick and Bobby. He'll get in. Check out Sch Cmte meeting tomorrow. Should be quite the show, but in the end, NO ONE who goes against Correia/Karam will survive. They are a bunch of sell-outs.

Anonymous said...

So the Herald News is either cooperative with all this, or the last to know. Is the article already written, just waiting for anecdotes from the meeting to sprinkle in?? Or..everyone seems to know but them...I thought there was nothing older than yesterday's news!

MissyP said...

First of all my father has never been on the BCC Board. Jim is on the UMass Board, but I think you are fooling yourselves if you think the two biggest educational leaders in this part of the state would make a statement like that in paper and on radio because of the Karams.

Secondly, yes Bob supports Fischer and what are the conspiracy theories on why? Do you think we all have big jobs in the school system? Or no, maybe we need the transportation? Please!! Or maybe just maybe, he has 5 grandchildren who he wants the best for and in all his years he thinks that Dr. Fischer has done the best job. Maybe he likes that the school system is the least political (GASP) that it has ever been. Trust me that he has been in with many Superintendents so this is not a new thing. Forget about everything else that is going on, my dad just wants what is best for his grandchildren and this city and he knows that education is the key and thinks that Fischer is the best we have had.

I would love to know why the Herald News has been complicit in all of this. Have we thought of that? They take swipes at the Karams every chance they get, yet they wholeheartedly endorse Fischer. Theories?

Anyone who actually knows him and cannot acknowledge this, despite anything else, is delusional.

What are the backdoor deals? If Bob helps Fischer get in, he will educate his grandchildren the best he can? What a scandal you have found!!!! Someone call the authorities.

Anonymous said...

And your father never held any cards when it came to getting people jobs in the school department in the Viveros Administration? Please. Ask how many were forced to kiss Karam's ring to get a job in the schools back then. Forget the schools. The city, the fire department, the police department -- you name it. Your father is PROUD of it.

Why would you need a job in the school system? Your Dad already gave you and your brother jobs during the Lambert administration!

Everything about the Correia administration is a throw back -- as the old school in Fall River is desperate and longing to go back to the days of Carlton Viveros. When Bobby was running things.

You are so naive. It's all about his grandchildren? Right. It's all about power. Bobby wants to run the city, but won't run for office because of all the skeletons in his closet. Who elects a man who goes around slapping other men in the face? And tell me that man's not all about POWER.

And for the record, Jack Sbrega was a MAJOR contributor to the Correia campaign. Check the campaign finance reports. Jean McCormack obviously has connections to Bob and Jim -- Bob as the former chair of the UMass Board. You can bet all he has to do is pick up the phone ... he HAS and he will again.

MissyP said...

Hmmm...calling him Bobby are we? Sounds familiar. I wonder what your administration would have been like?

I do not expect most people on here to believe what I said. Some are so overcome with hatred that you are blind to an inkling of truth. I do not need to check anything. I know him and I know he values education and that is the one reason he dedicated 20 years to UMass and is vested in Dr. Fischer. Plain and simple.

MissyP said...

Ya know I was just thinking about this. Pretty cowardous to post under anonymous with accusations such as slaps in the face, innuendo of kissing rings and assertions that my brother (who has never worked in the public sector)and I (who busted my butt for 6 years at the Housing Authority and nobody could deny it)getting jobs as favors. If you want to sling mud, why don't you post under your name, like I am?

Anonymous said...

Missy P, Obviously there are tactics of retaliation used if they do post their names, maybe not your father but the current administration and previous administrations, this is how fall river has been run for years you on the other hand get a free pass and are able to post your name.
So give people their right to an opinion.

MissyP said...

Ok, I will stop blogging, so lies can continue to be told under anonymity without being challenged. Opinions are one thing and there are plenty of them, and I was sharing mine, which comes from an honest place. My problem is not with opinions but lies that were told. How is that OK?

Anonymous said...

No need to stop blogging you are entitled to your opinion missy. Sorry I guess I didn't follow the lies part.

Anonymous said...

All of these Karam "conpiracy" theories are quite amusing, to say the least. Many of you, are giving them way too much credit as far as the power they yield.

Tonight's vote will be 4-3. So, it seems that Martins, Cadime, and Aguiar are disobeying Boss Karam.

Other than the school super, how many other high paying jobs are in the Fall River school system? 8 or 9? So, what is the allure of "knowing" the super? To get a friend a teacher job that pays 35K? Please.

All of you, need to get a life, and realize the world is a big place. And other than a handful of people, no one cares about the crappy jobs that Fall River has to offer. Anyone with half a brain, would try to get a teaching job anywhere but Fall River.

Anonymous said...

Housing authority, you say. uuuh huh..

Anonymous said...

Give me a break. Making cracks about Housing Authority job is really petty. I would highly doubt it, that her job was a lucrative one. More than likely, we're talking about a job that paid less than 40K a year. Although, considering the intellect of the members of this forum, this would probably be considered a "windfall."

It is sickening how petty and jealous some are of the Karam family.

Anonymous said...

So why not refute the "lies" Missy?

You have yet to provide any proof that what I said was not true.

Daddy's not as nice as you think.

MissyP said...

You have not given a name or the event that you are talking about as far as slapping someone so how could I possibly refute that. I already refuted that my brother was not given any kind of job ever. How does a discussion about the Schools and the Superintendent get degraded to this? Is this what blogging is?

Anonymous said...

Hmm, don't callers to WSAR provide anonymous comments all day long?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the outcome of the school committee meeting? Is it over yet?

Anonymous said...

Hmmm, would the SS Missy be on the radio if Daddy did not own it?

She has the worst Fall River accent (other than Hurricocaine) in radio history.

Anonymous said...

4-3 in favor of Doc Nick.

Anonymous said...

What a surprise. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Ask your father if he was ever sued for hitting someone. Ask your father how many times he met with school committee members to get them to hold onto Fischer. Ask him how many jobs he handed out under Vivieros. Ask him how many politicians have come to him and asked him to get hosts to back off on WSAR.

We all know you love Daddy, Missy. And Mike too. Why else would you sit there and allow Mike to rip women apart a couple of weeks ago on the air? You know, the whole I'm going to have a chat with my friends husbands to keep them in line?

She's loyal to the end.

What is blogging about?

Blogging is about having a discussion that is not controlled by people like your father. Sorry, he can't force people to do and say what he wants here. I know how uncomfortable it must be, knowing that people can tell the truth without living in fear thanks to technology.

Lefty said...

Anon,

I don't think it's Missy's job to disprove anyones claims. Where is the proof that her father has done any of the things you have stated?

Anonymous said...

THE TONE AND TENOR OF THIS DEBATE IS OUT OF CONROL.ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS?THE PEOPLE WHO LAUNCH PERSONAL ATTACKS WITHOUT GIVEN THIER NAMES ARE COWARDS,HAVE THE NERVE ONE DAY TO PUT YOURSELF OUT THIER ONE DAY IN THE PUBLIC, RUN FOR OFFICE,GO ON THE RADIO, SIGN A LETTER TO THE EDITOR, PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO PICK YOU APART AND YOUR FAMILY.AT LEAST MISSYP HAS THE COURAGE TO DO IT WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR MANY PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG WHO GET OFF TELLING LIES AND TAKING PERSONAL SHOTS AT HER, HER FAMILY, AND MIKE HERREN.YOU GO MISSY!!! DEFENDING THE TRUTH,YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR FRIENDS IS ADMIRABLE

Anonymous said...

THE TONE AND TENOR OF THIS DEBATE IS OUT OF CONROL.ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS?THE PEOPLE WHO LAUNCH PERSONAL ATTACKS WITHOUT GIVEN THIER NAMES ARE COWARDS,HAVE THE NERVE ONE DAY TO PUT YOURSELF OUT THIER ONE DAY IN THE PUBLIC, RUN FOR OFFICE,GO ON THE RADIO, SIGN A LETTER TO THE EDITOR, PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO PICK YOU APART AND YOUR FAMILY.AT LEAST MISSYP HAS THE COURAGE TO DO IT WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR MANY PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG WHO GET OFF TELLING LIES AND TAKING PERSONAL SHOTS AT HER, HER FAMILY, AND MIKE HERREN.YOU GO MISSY!!! DEFENDING THE TRUTH,YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR FRIENDS IS ADMIRABLE

Anonymous said...

Everyone knows Bob Karam isn't known for being a nice guy, can we just leave it at that? Of course Missy is going to defend her Dad, that is normal and to be expected, I'm sure he is nice to her, he has given her a good life in between attempting to ruin many others.

Anonymous said...

attempting to ruin lives are you seriuos do you have any idea how many kids from this city he has helped get into state schools..do you have any idea what you are talking about or are you just making gutless accusations...give me a break and go back to the rock you crawled out from under

Anonymous said...

In a strange way all this attention is good for wsar its the media outlet everyone is talking about.Say what you may but the afternoon drive slot has prospered ,the governor one day,breaking the school commitee vote story the other.

Lefty said...

Oh anon 11:48 so close to being a nice guy yet so far away.

Why is everyone beating up on Missy?

She's defending her dad, big deal. She has a differing opinion. THAT is what blogging is about. At least this blog. Sharing opinions and observations. This is her Dad, she saw some statements that were blatantly wrong and she corrected them. she saw some opinions that she found hurtful and tried to give a daughters insight into her father's motivations. She is certainly smart enough to know that not everyone here was going to take her word for it and I think she could deal with that but I don't think she should expect to have her father's every misdeed, real or not, thrown at her.

Maybe Bob Karam's motives are not as pure as Missy believes but she shouldn't be subjected to personal attacks so people can rack up some points shooting down a Karam. If you want to refute a point, go ahead, but try doing it with some civility.

Anonymous said...

I agree Lefty but also think if anyone has specifics they should give the details here where they won't be hung up on!

Anonymous said...

This kinda reminds me of the Sopranos

Anonymous said...

It's kinda funny that when Herren blogs ALL IN CAPS he does it anon.
Who is the coward!

Anonymous said...

CAPS sounds too smart to be herren

Anonymous said...

The few times I have heard Missy on WSAR she comes across as being genuine and sincere. I think it is terrible how she has been attacked in this fourm, if you have a problem with Bob take it up with him. I will say that it must be uncomfortable for Missy to be on with Mike Herren at times. He can be very childish, he makes references to his illegal drug use frequently and says highly insulting things about women. He kinda sounds like a caveman. I can't listen to him anymore, he is too offensive.

MissyP said...

Yes, WSAR takes anonymous calls, but they do not allow people to make personal, unfounded attacks. Isn't that what many of you dislike about WSAR? You see at as censorship, I believe. Well, after this low brow conversation, I take that any day.

No, I would not be on the radio if my father did not own it. Interestingly, I pinched hit for the little cruise show last week and the advertising company called and asked that I host every week because they thought it was the best of the 4 people that have done it. I have no radio background. I never considered being on the radio until a few months ago, but I think I am doing ok and am secure enough that your comments make me think no differently.

As Lefty said come up with specifics. It is not upon me to defend anything. I am not saying I know that any of what you say is true or not, but I am little busy to do the digging to defend my father to a coward. The lack of civility carried out by some anonymous people (or one "anonymous" person)on here is atrocious.

Yes, I am loyal...you got me. And of course that affects my perceptions, but I would rather have loyalty alter how I see things than hatred and jealousy.

Lefty and anon 12:23 I do appreciate your comments. I thought I could come on here and give my view from a different perspective on this single issue. I am not stupid. I know 99% of the people on here do not like my family, but I never expected that people that do not know me at all would start attacking me. I do not think you have advanced your agenda at all with your personal attacks. I surmise that there there are many readers that do not post that agree with me. Too bad they do not know who you are.

Anon 12:23 I don't agree with the Mike Herren stuff. When we talked about Sarah Palin yesterday, he did more for women than the women that called. There are other times when I do not agree with him, but you have every right to turn off the dial, and I still appreciate someone here besides Lefty seeing through the attacks.

I'm bracing for the onslaught of petty comments.

Anonymous said...

No petty attack just the fact:
I turned off the dial, becausethe wsar "personalities" need to go to blogs for their storylines!

Anonymous said...

Missy you should put down the burgers and pizzas when you speak on the air. It is not polite to talk with your mouth full.

Anonymous said...

What about the monstrosity on the waterfront known as Point Gloria blocking people's view of our beautiful waterfront? Okay, let's say you think it is a great place, what about the poor suckers who bought in because they were sold the idea it was going to be luxury residences and then after a short while the place started taking Section 8s? I would be ticked if I bought in because I was told it would be one thing and then it turned into another. Sounds like sleazy business to me.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes - Missy Karam - the poor little rich girl who has to read comments about her father that are "not so nice" and can rip apart people on the Herald News website anonymously but is now the brave soul who is just sticking up for dear old Dad against the mean and horrible people who hate him for no reason.

None of the attacks about Bobby are unfounded. And many of the attacks he has made against others - on the radio and elsewhere have been very personal. Ask Eric Poulin. And then he wouldn't even let Poulin respond. He wrote a PRESS RELEASE ABOUT IT.

I can't believe you're falling for this Lefty.

A View From Battleship Cove brought to you by Karam Financial.

Anonymous said...

The level that these posts have stooped to is amazing..its disgraceful!!!!Shame on the cowards who attack MissyP anonymously at least she has the courage to put her name behind what she says.These are the people who call others bullies,question thier character,and are supposed to be so righteous,please give me a brake and look in the mirror.The mirror dont lie and it says that you are cowards and creeps of the worst kind!!

Anonymous said...

The kind of weasels who take personal shots at others and thier families need to be exposed .Shine a light on these cockroaches and watch them run away and squirm.These types can only exist anonymously.Do they have the nerve to put thier name out there,I doubt it

Lefty said...

Anon 4:14,

Oh making fun of Missy's voice, now THAT is some intelligent commenting there. And you talk about what's polite. Taking pot shots is not adding to the conversation.

Anon 6:41

I'm not sure if your reference to Point Gloria ties into the Karams or this post or is just a random observation. Please elaborate.

Anon 7:17

Where to start?

Bob Karam is not perfect and Missy never claimed he was. She said that some of the facts were wrong and said that he had a genuine interest in the school system.

She defended her father and I don’t get why anyone would be shocked by that or think it a big deal. I think she has been fair in her comments, and I think she can deal with criticism about her dad as long as we’re being fair about it.

Instead she’s insulted, and accused of commenting anonymously on the Herald. I can’t disapprove it, but I’d like to know how you can prove it. I’d also like you to explain why she would post anonymously there but use her name here? She’s asked to defend her dad on everything under the sun, when, except for the Eric Poulin thing, none of you are backing up your statements with any facts. Who kissed Karam’s ring? Who did he slap? Where are the specifics and the facts to back them up?

And just what the hell do you think I’m falling for? For 2 ½ years I’ve tried to be fair and objective about everything I do on this blog. If I were suddenly in the Karam’s pocket why would I have blogged about Keri’s MCAD complaint? Why would I have posted about Keri’s new blog and bring attention to it?

If the Karam’s are sponsoring this blog someone needs to tell me, because I can sure as hell use the cash.

Anonymous said...

Good for you lefty these people are out of control , these are the people that are the watchdogs of fall river,full of hate and lies shame on them.

Anonymous said...

I love the irony of people criticizing other anonymous comments ... anonymously!

Anonymous said...

my anonymous comments are not hurtful,attacking, or personal thats the difference.If i attacked somebody i would use my name.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:14 you forgot to use your real name.

Lefty said...

Anon 6:41,

I apologize for deleting your comment but again, I can't let people make accusation that I have no way of verifying.

Anon 11:44

Great observation!

Anonymous said...

There are several blogs about Fall River now but lefty was the first and a lot of the times still is the best. He is certainly not in anyone's pocket.

As far as Missy Karam, it is not unusual that she would stick up for her Dad, as lefty said, it really is no big deal, just about anyone would stick up for their father.

Please don't hold Missy accountable for her Dad's many sins or be shocked that she would stick up for him, she is doing what probably any daughter would do.

It has to be very difficult to hear unpleasant things about your Dad, after hearing it over and over again you probably tell yourself a story like people are just jealous because he is rich or something of that nature.

To put it politely, Mr. Robert Karam is not a nice man nor a very good man, his poor reputation is not undeserved, it is deserved as it was earned over the course of several years. Ms. Karam or Missy is smart enough to know and understand this but please don't badger her for not accepting it as fact, if it were your Dad you would not want to believe it either so her position is completely understandable.

Missy really deserves sympathy more than she deserves scorn. Think about it this way, would you want Bob Karam to be your father? If your answer is no then cut her some slack please.

Anonymous said...

Lefty,

The fall river blog site is still showing recent comments that you may have deleted from you site.

Anonymous said...

Greetings from your former coworkers at the housing authority.
We will tell the real story of how hard you worked !

Lefty said...

Anon 8:54

Thanks for the compliment and for a really great comment. Just proof that you can make your point without name calling and mudslinging.

I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that Missy is blinded by love for her father to what the facts are. I think Missy simply sees a side of her Dad that we are not privy to. I think she has more insight into what drives him.

There is no doubt that her perception is different because of what she hears and sees and because of love and loyalty. However I think Missy is someone who can bluntly acknowledge her Dad's faults but after the reception she received here I wouldn't expect her to do it on this site.

Anon 12:26

I would love to hear the inside scoop. If I should call the Housing Authority whom should I ask for?

Anonymous said...

Egan

Anonymous said...

Lefty, what is your real name ?

Anonymous said...

http://lizzieandrewborden.com/LBForum/viewtopic.php?t=2977

Anonymous said...

2006 was a very good year to work in housing.

Assistance to HUDNER ASSOCIATES/KARAM MGT in MA
(FY 2000-2007)




Summary

Federal dollars: $775,311
Total number of recipients: 1
Total number of transactions: 8
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Top 5 Known Congressional Districts where Recipients are Located
Invalid district: $0



Top 10 Recipients
HUDNER ASSOCIATES/KARAM MGT $775,311



Recipient Type
Government $775,311
Other $0
Nonprofits $0
Higher Education $0
For Profits $0
Individuals $0



Assistance Type
Direct Payments (both specified and unrestricted) $775,311
Other $0
Loans (both direct and guaranteed) $0
Insurance $0
Grants and Cooperative Agreements $0


Top 5 Programs
14.195: Section 8 Housing Assistance Payments Program_Special Allocations $775,311



Top 5 Agencies Providing Assistance
HUD - Federal Housing Commissioner $775,311



Trend


2000 $0
2001 $0
2002 $0
2003 $0
2004 $0
2005 $0
2006 $367,290
2007 3Q * $408,021

*Note: FY 2007 only includes first three quarters.

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MissyP said...

Hmmmm my former co-workers must have forgot that I resigned my social worker job (starting at $17,000) in 2001....So surprising that the facts were wrong.

Anonymous said...

Date doesn;t matter fact is you got the job because of your family
involvment.

Anonymous said...

Is Lefty looking for a job at wsar?

Anonymous said...

How does Missy making 17 a year working as a SW for housing make her life a one of ease. That is silly.

Anonymous said...

They should give him Herren's. It's only a matter of time untill there gonna have to get rid of him.

MissyP said...

I never could have gotten a job making $17,000 with a degree from BC. You have the most intelligent arguments.

Anonymous said...

How many jobs have you gotten without your Dad's help? Any?

Anonymous said...

Missy is getting a bit sarcastic for some poor soul who should not be picked on, a little bit of dad is coming to light. The tatements are not about 17k with a degree from BC, did you have a degree at that time. You are missing the point.

Anonymous said...

This blog is turning to trash..the dialogue has degenerated to hurtful name calling.Why the hatred,the personal attacks,the obssessing?? The people who are spewing this hate must be troubled personaly.Why waste so much energy with this garbage,this blog has been taking hostage by the very worst of us ...anonymously i may ad

Anonymous said...

Yes anonymous......you may add that.

Anonymous said...

Lefty, this thread should be closed, it appears that radio personalities have taken over
and should stick to their chosen professions where we can simply
not listen.

Lefty said...

The direction this comment thread has gone in is disappointing.

It has long since strayed from the subjects in the post and now seems focused solely on the Karams.

I understand that many in Fall River have strong feelings on the Karams. However this is not the place to vent those feelings. This is not the place for personal attacks.

I allow anonymous comments to encourage readers to participate in the discussion. I try to give everyone the freedom to make their points and delete very few comments.

I welcome discussion, debate, and even argument. I ask however when sharing your knowledge that you do it with some civility and that you back up your statements so that those of us not familiar can easily verify them.

I do no want to shut down comments on this post, nor do I want to disallow anonymous comments but those are options I will consider if the mudslinging continues.

Anonymous said...

I won't comment on the Karams at all, I just wanted to comment on why it seems the people defending the Karams can't spell? I don't think that is mudslinging, it's just an observation, the run-on sentences are really bad too. I'm not the grammar police I just find it interesting that these are the kind of people asking for this blog to be shut down, presumably because they don't like that people are free to say what they want about the Karams and it can't be censored.

Anonymous said...

Actually I'm the run on anon 8;16 above and I wasn't asking for ensorship. (end of sentence!)

My statement was that maybe some of the comments posted by radio personalities should stay on the radio where we have the option to to not listen.

Could we go back to writing our opinions and comments on Lefty's
postings without antagonistic comments?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

Glad you weren't asking for "ensorship." I rest my case.

Anonymous said...

I happen to be handicapped my apologies. The antaganostic posts continue.

Anonymous said...

antaganostic? Try antagonistic because that would be the correct way to spell it. Once again I rest my case. Please don't try to play the handicap card, I bet you aren't, but whether you are or aren't, anyone is capable of running a little thing called spell check. Apparently it isn't something that a Karam/Herren supporter finds necessary. My apologies, I didn't realize you were above that type of thing because of whom you know.

Anonymous said...

This blog is boring. I am tired of these two anon pansies slapfighting, whatever.

Anonymous said...

It's so boring that you are still reading it, lol. I noticed you are anonymous too, I guess that makes you an anon pansie also, oh well guess you can put me on the list. "I'm tired of the slapfighting, whatever," lol. What a brain!

Anonymous said...

lol whatever, blah blah, blah...

Anonymous said...

Does anyone think the Keri/Mike story might have been covered differently if Herald News Editor Lisa Straatton wasn' Al Herren's ex wife?

Anonymous said...

Probably not. I am sure Lisa tries to stay as objective as she can. If she wanted to run her own agenda she would come down on Herren. Mike was a belligerent jerk towards Lisa, called her his wicked stepmother etc.

Anonymous said...

and she would have put out an editorial on daddy als girlfriend trying to open a strip club at davol station.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon
2:02 PM, September 05, 2008




If you read the content of my original post instead of proofreading the spelling (which
you may have realized I am not a
herren/karam supporter.

I stated the new bloggers/radio personalities (from wsar) should go back to radio:

Can we please be civil now?

Thanks.



Lefty, this thread should be closed, it appears that radio personalities have taken over
and should stick to their chosen professions where we can simply
not listen.

8:16 AM, September 05, 2008

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Missy P denotes no connection with her father and uncle and BCC. She must have selective memory. Her brother Steven ("like father, like son") Karam was Chairman of BCC's Board of Trustees.
She's right, however,in asserting her brother never held a job in the public sector. He's never held a real job, either. He's worked for "daddy" his whole adult life.

MissyP said...

FYI, he worked for Mass Mutual in Boston after he graduated magna cum laude from Babson College. He also worked at Stop and Shop in high school and for a marina docking boats. Then he had his own boat washing company. You know nothing of which you speak. Oh and if you come out of anonymity, I would love to show you our transcripts. Now that would blow your little mind.

Pretty funny that you are talking about not holding jobs.

And did i denote no connection or did I say

"First of all my father has never been on the BCC Board. Jim is on the UMass Board." Yes, I do believe that is what I said.

Anonymous said...

you may be on to something, lets re-cap missy p's " hmmm,$17,000 a year college grad butt busting job and intelligent arguments:



First of all my father has never been on the BCC Board. Jim is on the UMass Board, but I think you are fooling yourselves if you think the two biggest educational leaders in this part of the state would make a statement like that in paper and on radio because of the Karams.

Secondly, yes Bob supports Fischer and what are the conspiracy theories on why? Do you think we all have big jobs in the school system? Or no, maybe we need the transportation? Please!! Or maybe just maybe, he has 5 grandchildren who he wants the best for and in all his years he thinks that Dr. Fischer has done the best job. Maybe he likes that the school system is the least political (GASP) that it has ever been. Trust me that he has been in with many Superintendents so this is not a new thing. Forget about everything else that is going on, my dad just wants what is best for his grandchildren and this city and he knows that education is the key and thinks that Fischer is the best we have had.

I would love to know why the Herald News has been complicit in all of this. Have we thought of that? They take swipes at the Karams every chance they get, yet they wholeheartedly endorse Fischer. Theories?

Anyone who actually knows him and cannot acknowledge this, despite anything else, is delusional.

What are the backdoor deals? If Bob helps Fischer get in, he will educate his grandchildren the best he can? What a scandal you have found!!!! Someone call the authorities.



8:03 AM, September 02, 2008
Hmmm...calling him Bobby are we? Sounds familiar. I wonder what your administration would have been like?

I do not expect most people on here to believe what I said. Some are so overcome with hatred that you are blind to an inkling of truth. I do not need to check anything. I know him and I know he values education and that is the one reason he dedicated 20 years to UMass and is vested in Dr. Fischer. Plain and simple.

8:55 AM, September 02, 2008

Ya know I was just thinking about this. Pretty cowardous to post under anonymous with accusations such as slaps in the face, innuendo of kissing rings and assertions that my brother (who has never worked in the public sector)and I (who busted my butt for 6 years at the Housing Authority and nobody could deny it)getting jobs as favors. If you want to sling mud, why don't you post under your name, like I am?

9:10 AM, September 02, 2008

I never could have gotten a job making $17,000 with a degree from BC. You have the most intelligent arguments.

5:26 PM, September 04, 2008

Anonymous said...

what do transcripts have to do with
anything, do you want to prove how how intelligent you are?

Lefty said...

FINAL WORD

This post was about 4 things:
1. The presidential race and specifically Sarah Palin
2. Superintendent Nick Fischer
3. Some letters to the editor from former City Council candidates
4. Keri Rodrigues and WSAR

When the first references to the Karams (Bob specifically) came up, I had no problem with it. After all they are successful and involved in the community and many believe they use their position to exert a great deal of influence.

When Missy first commented, I saw it as her wanting to clarify some facts, share some insight into her father.

Obviously not everyone is going to agree with Missy's view on her family but the responses to her were often rude and filled with unverifiable claims.

I had hoped that I could urge everyone here to be tolerant of other peoples views, disagree but show some respect. I don't think this has happened.

Now Missy's former position at the housing authority is up for debate. Did her dad get her the job? If he pulled strings to get her a 17k a year job I wonder how much influence he has? Now Missy's brother is being dragged into this. Truthfully until she commented on here a few days ago I had NO IDEA she even had a brother. I have never heard ANYTHING about him, and now someone is going to say he's never really worked because he works for this father. Maybe that's the case. Maybe he has a desk and a title and collects a great paycheck. On the other hand maybe he works his butt off and his dad has intentions of someday turning things over to him. How many local businesses have been handed down from generation to generation? If anyone here had the opportunity to set their children up in a successful enterprise wouldn't you? If anyone here could provide their children with a 'world class' education wouldn't you?

I'm not trying to defend the Karams here or defend them from some of the things they've been accused of. There is not job offer for me at WSAR and the one time I WAS on, it was at the invitation of KERI RODRIGUES. I'm just trying to be fair and see things from both sides.

Like I said at the start, this is the final word. This comment thread has gone so horribly off topic I can't see it focusing back on the post. I do thank everyone who helped further the discussion, I just wish there had been more of you.